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Nature or Nurture?

posted Sunday, 28 June 2009

    The original inspiration for this post comes from Matthew's old post in which he discussed the possibility of guiding or grooming your children's musical tastes. He seemed to think it can be accomplished. Of course, he doesn't have children yet.

     Oh, I kid, I kid the Toad. Except that I'm serious. Honest to god, as my kids get older, it seems more and more that what they're listening to is the luck of the draw. Well, not exactly luck, but I think other factors have a lot of influence on them, much more than I do. By other factors, I mean friends, TV, marketing, the need to distance oneself from one's parents at all costs, those sorts of things. I should probably add that my children just might be the three most strong-willed people on the planet, a trait which will serve them well as adults but which causes much consternation to me in the present. Needless to say they aren't the most malleable of subjects.

    If I were to break it down, I'd say the eldest has the best taste (which is to say, that which aligns most closely with mine), although she has an unusual affinity for 80s music, which might make sense if it were indeed the kind of music I listened to in the 80s, only it's not. Nonetheless, she and I can go on long car trips and enjoy each others' playlists for the most part. In fact, she's introduced me to some bands that I might not have picked up on otherwise, so we seem to be influencing each other. If I had to pick one band that defined her, though, I'd go with Modest Mouse.

Modest Mouse--"Dark Center of the Universe" mp3 off The Moon and Antarctica (buy

    The middle one, my son, is into a much harder rock sound such as Muse, loves classical music (Tchiakovsky at the moment) and also seems to enjoy old-style techno, a la Daft Punk. He also has a thing for anime theme music, which is most definitely not his mommy's music. Sometimes I refer to it as "J-Pop" and in a deadly serious voice he says to me, Don't call it that.

Muse--"City of Delusion" mp3 off Black Holes and Revelations (buy)

   The youngest one is very interesting. Not long ago she insisted on buying Tegan and Sara's This Business of Art and she was totally grooving to her sister's Le Tigre, the La's and Weezer, but she's also heavily into Hannah Montana and all those other pop-culture Disney channel types and she loves anything she can dance to, so it's hard to say for sure into which camp she'll fall. In fact, she may end up having the most varied taste of all. We don't call her the hybrid for nothing.

The La's--"There She Goes" mp3 off The La's (buy

   So you see, they've all been exposed to the same basic roster of bands that I've listened to throughout their childhoods--not to mention a large dose of classic rock from their father--yet they're each venturing off into their own domains and my influence doesn't seem to be showing up too strongly in any one kid, save the eldest. I wish when we all climbed in the car together they'd clamber for one of my mix-tapes, or demand some Moonbabies or Broken Social Scene, but let's face it, that ain't never gonna happen.

    Perhaps the best thing I can hope they learn from me is simply to love music, whatever kind of music it may be. And I need to remember that their musical tastes are not necessarily a reflection on me--which, in turn, means I can't take credit for them, either. 

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1. jc left...
Sunday, 28 June 2009 9:39 am :: http://www.thevinylvilain.blogspot.com

You sound as if you're doing great with them Marcy. I reckon most kids would be turned off a band/singer if they thought it was something that their folks liked.

The other thing I've noticed is that kids sometimes prefer the sort of stuff that the cool uncle/aunt is listening to. I certainly intend to try and get my nieces/nephews and kids of various mates to turn their backs on their parents' appalling tastes and inherit my old raincoats and love of black clothing!


2. James! left...
Sunday, 28 June 2009 4:25 pm :: http://appetitefordistraction.blogspot.c

My sister is 11 years younger than me (she just turned 15) and she recently made me a list of bands that she knew I had in my library that she wanted to have in hers and I was quite impressed.

I've been making it my personal goal to educate her on music that I love and it's nice to see a bunch of my favorite bands on her list.

When it comes to kids, I like to think that they'll have amazing taste in music and I take heart in the fact that I reached a point in my late teens where I was very interested in my parents' music and what they had been into at my age. Fingers crossed, my kids will do the same.


3. mjrc left...
Sunday, 28 June 2009 4:37 pm

jc--thanks for your words of support! i have to be careful not to be too much of a music nazi around the house and make sure i share the stereo/radio/ipod player with them. they do have an uncle who's a musician but he plays mostly classic rock stuff. that said, it's a great influence on them because he's multi-talented--sings, plays guitar, flute, piano, trumpet. hopefully he'll rub off on them too.

james--it's cool that your little sister is sharing her music tastes with you and that they're compatible! the uncle i mentioned above is my brother and he's only two years older than me, so we fought over the music when we were growing up. mostly he dominated and so i had to listen to whatever he wanted to play. the majority of stuff he liked i would not have chosen for myself, however, there were a few albums of his that i'd sneak off and play for myself when he wasn't around, and i never told him!


4. Agnes left...
Sunday, 28 June 2009 5:58 pm :: http://itallstarted.wordpress.com

Most of my early influences came from my parents - lots of 60s and 70s stuff. Some of it I liked, lots of it I hated. Especially Van Morrison, my dad's one great love. I think Van's wonderful now, but I still can't abide most of my mum's firmly-rooted-in-the-70s obsessions.

My sisters are both younger than me. One of them has very similar tastes to me and loves it when I hand her a USB crammed with all my latest discoveries. The other is totally planted in the Top 40 camp, but will listen to my songs on the rare occasion that one of them has made it into an epsidoe of Grey's or Scrubs or something. I despair of her, but she won't budge!

My brother, also younger, has pretty awesome taste for a 17 year old. Likes some of my stuff but mostly loves guitar rockers from the 60s, 70s and 80s. Spends hours mucking around with his guitar and playing along.

As you say, there are loads of factors that play a part in musical taste, and we don't always agree with people's choices. Could be worse though - can you imagine being one of those people who DON'T LISTEN TO MUSIC?? They're out there, they exist, and I find them quite frightening!


5. nat left...
Sunday, 28 June 2009 8:41 pm

I love your tag "delusions of influence." LOL.

Chris, my eldest, has eclectic taste, much like me, but he digs rap, which I can't stand. He turns on classic rock stations, and I'm so proud! I have those delusions, too!

Younger one leans toward the teeny bopper pop, a la Disney channel, but also likes Ozzy and Linkin Park. I think I've got a dark rocker on my hands.


6. mjrc left...
Sunday, 28 June 2009 9:37 pm

agnes--wow, i didn't know you had three siblings--i only knew about elspeth! i assume she's the one whose taste you admire more! ;-) i think it's really interesting how differently siblings in the same environment, under more or less the same influence, can develop such distinct tastes. i suppose the elder siblings affect the younger ones, almost as much as the parents do. as you say, though, the thought of one of my children not listening to music would be horrible! incomprehensible!! perish the thought!

nat--hmm, hard to reconcile rap and classic rock, but i think that rap is definitely a younger generational thing. like, you had to grow up with it to really get it. now, i enjoy some hip-hop, which i guess is like rap but with less rapping (someone correct me if i'm way off base, please), but none of my kids is into it at all. maybe the youngest one would groove to it a little, but the other two, no way. your younger guy sounds like my son--possible heavy metal fans!


7. James! left...
Sunday, 28 June 2009 11:09 pm :: http://appetitefordistraction.blogspot.c

Elspeth and Agnes are related?!

We'll really need to get Greer in here to confirm this, but I think rap and hip-hop are basically the same thing. Perhaps hip-hop is more of the over-arching genre? I don't know. I use them interchangeably I think...

And not listening to music? Well that's just....there are no words.


8. Rick left...
Tuesday, 30 June 2009 9:25 am

Hey, MJRC.

Interesting post, & that La's song is one of my long-time favorites (isn't it a cover?).

I doubt we will ever get to the bottom of the nature vs nurture question. In our case, it will be 100% nurture, so our kids might make an interesting case study. Check back in 20 years. :) I personally picked up a wide range of musical interests, mostly classical from my parents, and everything else from my friends and society. I have found that the most trendy influences fall away the fastest, and that I come back to certain fundamentals - classical music, and more complex contemporary music (rock, pop, alternative, etc.). Everything else is sprinkled around like icing on the cake. To use an analogy, while there may be lots of cooks in the kitchen, in the end we have complex tastes and perhaps some comfort food. Seems like the best bet is to expose your children to lots of different & healthy choices, so that they can make informed decisions later on.

Jeez, I sound like a parent!


9. mjrc left...
Tuesday, 30 June 2009 6:17 pm

james--yes, we need greer's expertise. paging dr. greer!

rick--ha, you sound like a parent indeed! it will be interesting with your kids. i wonder what kind of influence the earliest music they heard will have on them also. i like your cooks analogy, too. :)


10. greer left...
Tuesday, 30 June 2009 8:38 pm

:) I think the rap vs hip hop question is a thorny one when the experts debate it. I tend to use them interchangeably but I'm just a humble fan.

Such a thought-provoking post. I agree that it's the interest in music and the curiosity and love and appreciation that I hope to pass on... the idea that music is this wonderful thing that can help you express feelings and bring comfort and such pure bliss. I really hope my children will love to dance as they get older too, I think dancing to a great song is one of the most joyous experiences in life.


11. mjrc left...
Thursday, 2 July 2009 6:17 am

ah, well if they're pretty much interchangeable, then i guess we can relax a little and not worry about terminology. :) labels/genres of music confuse me anyway. speaking of dancing, i love to dance to music, but only when i'm alone or drunk! i hope your children don't grow up with those kinds of inhibitions! :)


12. Carlye left...
Sunday, 5 July 2009 6:14 pm

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